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Monday, 14 March 2011

Squad Depth, Silver Linings, and Other Monday Notes

By: Noel | March 14th, 2011
Tweet Carroll v. Braga

It’s always hard to quite believe that cup draws are completely random, isn’t it? I mean, everybody knew Barcelona was going to face Arsenal in the Champions League this year, and low and behold they faced each other in the first knock-out round. It was rather like the way Chelsea would always always always face Liverpool if both sides made it past the last sixteen, when rules to prevent facing an opponent from one’s own federation lifted.

In the same way, when the quarter finals of the FA Cup came to light and the games began to roll along, everybody with the slightest interest in Liverpool just knew that United and City would meet in the semi-finals, guaranteeing that Liverpool would need to manage fifth or an Europa League triumph to get back into Europe at all as a result.

Some might say, “Noel, that’s silly, you can find narrative and a whiff of paranoid delusion anywhere if you look hard enough,” and, “Noel, wouldn’t the FA rather have the hype and pomp and television audience of a United-City final?” and, “Noel, none of this would be an issue if that nice man Christian Purslow had made a competent hire back in July.” And I would say balderdash! It’s perfectly obvious that somebody at the FA was pissed off when Liverpool held back players from the last set of international friendlies in retaliation for the FA playing Gerrard longer than had been agreed on and getting him injured in the set before that, and that conspiring to keep Liverpool out of Europe is simply the latest escalation. Or, in short, the FA must be made to pay for this injustice…

* To start things off, A Liverpool Thing looks at the potential positives of the FA Youth Cup defeat, which may seem to be just another log on the fire that is people looking for silver linings in unfortunate situations of late, but in this case I find myself fully agreeing with the silver linings. Not that dropping out is a good thing, of course, but in a run out against the highest level of competition the Liverpool youth had yet faced there was a distinct disjointedness to proceedings to remind that these dominant pass and move masters against Southend might not quite be ready to grab Premier League competition by the scruff of its neck and drag a team full of Carraghers kicking and screaming towards silverware:

This is why it is so difficult to judge players of this age. Or, rather, why it is always wise not to rush into judgments. Many were disappointed when Raheem Sterling wasn’t given some playing time in the Europa League after he had helped tear Southend apart in the previous round of this competition. Others would have picked the Spanish midfielder Suso for the first team within the first month of his joining the club, so impressive was he whenever he played for the reserves.

The reality is that there is a huge gap between the level of football they are used to playing and that which they would be facing in the first team. The strength of players they would be playing against, their experience and the speed with which they would punish any mistake or hesitation is far greater than what they’ve ever come against.

No reason for them to all be crap now, of course, but perhaps a needed reminder that these are young kids and realistically we’re looking at years before they can make a real impact instead of weeks.

* Meanwhile, despite that reality might suggest otherwise, Kenny Dalglish says he’s perfectly happy with the current squad’s depth, thank you very much. Which of course is what a manager should say, rather than blaming b-teams and scrubs who are hardly going out there trying not to measure up to expectations:

The depth of the squad has been tested with Liverpool’s involvement in the Europa League and although the stand-ins have not always impressed–Thursday’s 1-0 first-leg defeat in Braga a case in point–Dalglish recognises the importance of being able to call on those fringe players.

“Everyone in the squad is capable of playing in the first team,” he said. “Those that haven’t played as much are very important to us and their attitude in the games they have played in the past has been superb.”

Though it doesn’t seem to have registered amongst those who simply put Europa League right next to Cole, Poulsen, and Spearing and draw a conclusion or three, the squad that faced Braga was hardly an intentionally weakened one. One can only hope that Dalglish’s public faith in the fringe players who will play no matter how large or small a priority he puts on the competition, combined with a lively Anfield crowd, can somehow get the team through at home against Braga.

* And speaking of depth and the upcoming match against Braga, The Tomkins Times takes the time to preach patience on the Andy Carroll front:

Carroll’s presence is about making Liverpool a stronger unit, not wowing the fans in quite the same way that prime-years Torres did; I don’t expect our jaws to drop quite as often. Also, the crux of the deal is that Liverpool got two young strikers for little more than the price of a single older, injury-prone one.

Right now, based on the evidence of the first handful of matches the pair have played for their new clubs, I’d have happily swapped Torres for Suarez. Straight swap, with both valued at £20m, £35m or £50m.

The little Uruguayan has already done things worthy of Torres at his best, whereas at Chelsea, Torres continues to look like the moody, relatively mediocre player who’d failed to spark into full life for Liverpool for 18 months

A good reminder all around, as one would expect. Still, given the difference he made in his brief appearance against Braga, it’s hard not to hope that he can make a similar difference against them at Anfield, and that doing so for the entire match and with the home support will be enough to see Liverpool through.

In the meantime, while you try to wrap you head around rules stating that if the winner of the FA Cup is in the Champions League already the loser gets the Europa berth, which wouldn’t be an issue if Arsenal hadn’t choked on their own two feet in the Carling Cup but they did and now they’re also out of the Champions League and out of the FA cup and only managing unimpressive draws against Sunderland to help Manchester United through their troubled stretch atop the league…

Some Related Liverpool Posts:FA Youth Cup, Poll Wrap, and Other Monday NotesFake Plastic Chelseas, Raheem Sterling Makes Europa Squad, and Other Wednesday NotesSuarez Says Goodbye, Torres Says Hello, and Other Monday NotesRaul’s Kicks, Suarez’ Tricks, and Other Monday NotesJuventus Hemorrhaging Cash, Ashley Get Your Gun, and Other Monday Notes

Category: Premier League, Team News

Tags: Andy Carroll, FA Cup, FA Youth Cup, Has Anyone Labeled Andy Carroll a Bust Yet?, Luis Suarez, Paranoid Schizophrenia, Premier League, Team News, The FA Hates Liverpool, The Shallowest Swimming Pool In The World
Tweet « Blog Pollin’: European Competition in 2011-2012 | Home | Smitty_wSliver linings no European football, can concentrate on becoming Premier,s again.Not sure i buy into not being able to attract quality players. 50 mill + spent in summer transfers shows enough intent. The only dark cloud i see off in the didtence is PepeEdThe "FA hates Liverpool" tag was created for a reason.NoelAnd now I know that the "FA Hates Liverpool" tag was created.Red2death"realistically we’re looking at years before they can make a real impact instead of weeks."

I'd have to disagree.

Maybe for Sterling (16 this year) it's a bit early. But definitely not years for the likes of Suso (18), Pacheco (20), Coady (18), Amoo (20).

This is the age where they should be knocking on the first team door for the good ones and at least getting regular substitute appearances for the later bloomers. Rooney and Wilshere both 18 and trusted with first team duties. Aaron Ramsey, 19, playing regularly. Walcott, 21, already been out there for many years now. Javier Hernandez, 22, straight into the first team. Darren Fletcher blooded at 19. The list goes on for players that will truly make a difference by the time they're 23, 24, 25. By that time they need to have a good 4-5 years top level experience under their belt.

Yes, our young players are works in progress. But some of that progress has to take place on the pitch beside in and among the senior players. Not just in the academy or FA Youth Cup or the reserve league.

All our rivals have Rooneys and Wilsheres and Walcotts coming through their ranks. I'd like to think our boys are the same calibre too, and judging by their youth performances it seems they are. But come 5 years from now, it'd make a massive difference whether they already have 5 years premiership experience or whether they're just finding their feet against first-choice opposition.
Eddieagreed. i cant see a reason why the likes of coady suso sterling morgan wisdom will have to wait years to make an impression. Im not saying they should all be regular starters for the first team, but lets be honest i'd rather have coady and suso sitting on the bench rather than as often as poulson and jovanovic do. Sterling is perhaps slightly too young to be given a run out. but ultimately there is are several dead wood players that i would like to see replaced with promising youth players. that would be refreshing to see.

Hopefully the king will sign a longterm contract, have a huge transfer budget and hopefully buy the likes of ashley young nzogbias taiwo adam. add that to younger players coming through, there will be a lot to smile about in 2011-12 season regardless of whether we get in the europa league.KhaineAge in and of itself is not that important, but rather phsyical development (Rooney) and level of experience (Wilshere at Bolton, Ramsey at Cardiff and Nottingham). Shelvey has 2 seasons of fast-paced football under his belt and that's the reason he can hang with the big boys even though he's just 18. The kids currently at the academy have neither of these qualities, with the possible of exception of Coady being a physical player. They need experience at a higher level of competition, and Liverpool this particular season, where every game is a must-win and a struggle to the end, is just the wrong time and place.

Hell, just read this:

http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/0...LFC4LIFE.......''Right now, based on the evidence of the first handful of matches the pair have played for their new clubs, I’d have happily swapped Torres for Suarez. Straight swap, with both valued at £20m, £35m or £50m.''.....

who the fuck is Torres?ArmenianREDwho the fuck torres is???

he is the siSSy boy that enjoying jokings and personal relations at one of the london clubs....

did u remember him now?
;)

Hail KK
long live LFC!Dj-ChutfieldJust to continue the Torres hate in this thread of replies, I saw this in a comments section on another site and made me chuckle for a good few days:

His armband lied - he was no red, Torres, Torres
He's just a rentboy like they said, Torres, Torres
Into our backs, he plunged his knife,
I hope John Terry shags his wife,
Fernando Torres, he's just a pile of shit.

The John Terry line gets me every time!blog comments powered by Disqus

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Friday, 11 March 2011

A Certain Lack of Depth

By: Noel | March 11th, 2011
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With Suarez ineligible and Gerrard injured against Sporting Braga, Kenny Dalglish had almost no choice but to play at least two of Poulsen, Spearing, and Cole. It didn’t go well, even if the final scoreline is hardly insurmountable in a two-legged European competition. Moreover, with the lack of obvious options and no league match coming up on the weekend, one could hardly accuse the manager of trying to nurse a cynically weakened squad through on a Thursday to improve the potential for points on a Sunday.

The side Liverpool put out against Braga was, bar perhaps one contentious option, the strongest one at Dalglish’s disposal. There can be no sadder indictment of the club’s current depth than that, and no clearer reminder that for all that there may still be a number of good players at the club, this is by far the weakest Liverpool squad at the end of a string of years where most agreed the club’s biggest concern was a lack of quality depth.

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Some might talk of the future and giving minutes to the kids, but the most likely candidate on that front is Jonjo Shelvey, out injured after a run of games that suggested Dalglish indeed thought highly of him. Then there is Pacheco, who for all the love from the cheap seats hasn’t seen a single minute of action under the new manager and who one must therefore imagine Dalglish has little belief in, at least for now. After that one gets to a string of promising kids, most too young to need to shave regularly, who likely won’t be ready to meaningfully contribute for two or three years–if ever. A cameo in a clicking side for that sort of player might be one thing; deciding that Christian Poulsen isn’t up to snuff and throwing a Suso or Sterling into the deep end amongst an already patchwork and not particularly familiar squad and asking them to provide some kind of magic would be something else entirely.

Though even if the one young midfielder he trusts is injured and the other clearly either not trusted or not ready, and even if one supposes that the forgotten Milan Jovanovic is no better than the three irregulars who did play, it’s more than a little surprising that Dalglish went with all three of Cole, Spearing, and Poulsen, since Maxi Rodriguez was by all accounts healthy and had just come off a solid showing against United. Rotation may be necessary, but with a week off before the next game and the player coming off an at least competent display, it seemed an unnecessary switch, especially as it lead to Jay Spearing being shifted out to the right of midfield. In fairness to Spearing, when he finally moved into the center to partner Lucas when Poulsen left the pitch, he managed to turn his performance into something less than the complete trainwreck that had been on display for the first sixty-odd minutes, though that only increases the head scratching nature of both he and Poulsen starting on the pitch while a more natural and less rusty wide player sat on the bench.

Regardless of that, though, at least two of them were always going to start. Meanwhile, the manager would simply have to cross his fingers and hope for a cagey draw in Portugal before waiting to see if that extra week would lead to Gerrard and Carroll both being available from the start of the return leg at Anfield. In the end, though, that draw never seemed on the cards with Poulsen lumbering ineffectively for the first two thirds of the match and Joe Cole sticking around for the entire ninety to patrol his little Bermuda Triangle on the left, where attacking moves went to die. In Cole’s case, perhaps nothing summed up his day better (or worse, as the case may be) than when in injury time, with Liverpool straining for an equalising away goal, he drove towards the corner flag with two Braga players covering him. Turning with the ball, he saw Glen Johnson behind him in acres of space to deliver a cross to three waiting in the box, but instead of laying off the simple ball he twisted and turned and tried to beat both men covering him before eventually retreating back up the pitch and passing to a teammate on the half-way line. Just one more selfish play lacking in the slightest hint of footballing intelligence from quite possibly the worst free signing the club has ever made, at least when it comes to a return on the weekly wage investment.

More than anything, it’s a bit like watching Ryan Babel–if Babel didn’t have any pace or a dangerous shot. And while saying he needs to work back to match fitness is one thing, it’s quite something else when he continually shows the game intelligence of a nine year old striker who hasn’t quite figured out you’re allowed to pass to teammates.

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The entire situation, the critical lack of depth, might not have been so bleak were it magically three or four years ago and Christian Poulsen the destroyer of Sevilla was on hand to break up play and threaten attackers with grievous bodily harm. Though in retrospect it is hard not to wonder if even then it may have been the speed of the Spanish League, covering for deficiencies that would have seen him exposed in the Premier League, that was making him look a solid player. At least, one imagines, he would have been somewhat closer to the player occasionally remembered than the one who has been on display at Liverpool and Juventus over the past few seasons, and least Joe Cole too would have been a useful squad player in years past. Though then in his case, and despite how highly people rate him in the memory, the reality is that one would have to go back even further to find a time when he was guaranteed to start week in and week out rather than being a useful–though at the time fit–depth player akin to the one he replaced at Liverpool.

In the end, all of this is rather stark confirmation of just how shallow this Liverpool side is. It starts right at the back, where the club currently has all of one healthy natural fullback to go along with one injured fullback, one injured centerback who had very nearly reached the point he could be considered a natural fullback before said injury, and one aging centerback who used to play as a defensive fullback at a time before he lost the pace to even play as a defensive fullback. From there you get to some of the players who started yesterday further up the pitch, one of whom has never been considered quite good enough to ever become a mainstay at the top level and two who even three years ago–in days other clubs might have actually wanted them on the payroll–would have still likely been on the fringes of any squad hoping to challenge for trophies. It isn’t encouraging stuff.

Despite the weakness at fullback, the club has just about managed to hold itself together at the back with bailing wire and duct tape in recent weeks, while it is that shallowness further up the pitch that has at times helped destroy any hint of cohesive play and pass and move football whenever a regular starter hasn’t been fit and available. Liverpool does still have a phenomenal core, aging but recently bolstered by January arrivals, as was seen when that core of players dominated front-runners Manchester United on the weekend. But more than ever it is displays like yesterday’s that show just how much damage was done to the club in the wake of 2009’s nearly-there campaign with the subsequent campaign by the then-owners to turn a profit in every passing transfer window.

It isn’t the end of the world, though, Thursday’s result. The club has another week to try to get Andy Carroll fully up to speed. They have a week with Gerrard on the trainer’s table, hoping that he might somehow end up healthy enough to play in the return leg. And it is only a goal deficit that they face in a week’s time, after all. If both can play, with perhaps either Maxi coming back or at the very least only Spearing being featured in midfield, the story could be very different with the Kop backing them. Still, it won’t do for the long-term, and even if the core of starters is more than good enough to challenge for trophies, Liverpool at the very least need quality options they don’t currently have at as many as a half-dozen different positions.

Yet in spite all of that, without quite possibly the most foolish tackle of the season by a Liverpool player to gift Braga their penalty and subsequent goal, what turned out an almost laughably weak and tentative side could have been going into that return leg at Anfield even with their opponents rather than down a single goal.

Perhaps it’s not all bad, then, but with how thin this squad is they’re going to need a bit of luck on the fitness front to even have a chance of continuing in the Europa League or inching higher up the domestic table.

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Category: Europa League, Match Recaps

Tags: Causes of Alcoholism, Christian Poulsen, Christian Purslow Is Worse Than Hitler, Dani Pacheco, Europa League, Jay Spearing, Joe Cole, Jonjo Shelvey, Kenny Dalglish, Liverpool v. Braga, Luis Suarez, Match Recaps, Milan Jovanovic, Steven Gerrard, Tom Hicks is a Motherfucker
Tweet « Braga 1, Liverpool 0: The Magic of the Europa League | Home | EdThe Gerrard news is disappointing but a little expected, and in spite of his confirmed absence I still think Liverpool have a good shot next week so long as the starting eleven is different.

Like you said, though, it's not like there's a ton of other options--Maxi in, maybe a start for Carroll, and hoping against hope that Agger's back at full fitness. Still leaves some holes, but probably as strong as they can get given who's available.McrRedAs an imponderable question: was it Carroll coming on or Poulsen going off that sparked our mini-revival?redtrev73Last night's match was the first occasion i have ever fallen asleep watching the redmen. Poulsen, cole and probably wee jay (can't fault the kid's heart though) have gone and proved what ngog did in the last round...they shouldn't get to wear the liverbird on their chests. If that ends up being the upshot of that trainwreck in braga, then at least something will have come from it. Kenny has given them enough rope...and they duly hung themselves.
The lack of an away goal is a real concern but, to end on a note of optimsm....Andy Carroll, yaaayy!!Smitty_wMight be about time to give Kenny his contract. Bound to lift spirits around the club. And i think he deserves better than to be kept hanging . If they do it quick enough he,ll think it,s still his birthdaylfc80ukPoor first half performance yesterday! I am not confident with Spearing in the midfield, still don't think he is Liverpool quality regardless of the fact that he is solid in the reserves. Joe Cole continues to get worse, doing his best impression of Antonio Nunez!

Totally agree that the team has a frightening lack of depth, doubt Spearing, Poulson or Cole would even get into any Premiership team in the top 10.

Liverpool do need an extra striker. Should Suarez or Carroll get injured I have zero confidence in Ngog coming in to fill the gap. All top teams need strength in depth and Liverpool are no different.

I personally would love to see Lavezzi at Anfield, he is a quality footballer, tactically aware, works for the team and can play as a striker or in 'the hole'. He played great against Liverpool earlier in the Europa League.

Benzema or Gomez in my opinion would also be suited to the Premier League. Coupled with a decent leftback and two decent wingers is the tonic needed to take us back to the promised land of the Champions League and Premier League glory.blog comments powered by Disqus